Showing posts with label P182. Show all posts
Showing posts with label P182. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 19, 2009

Antec P183: Thanks, but No Thanks

Disclaimer: I don't have a physical case at my hands, this review is based on actual experience with Antec P182 case and SPCR review of P183. Hope you find it essential enough, though.

THE GOOD

The case is apparently a bit bigger, which means that you would be able to fit big video cards with rear mounted power connectors together with hard drives in the middle cage - barely, though, judging by this picture (page six of the SPCR review).

The case is apparently better ventilated, especially at the front - though it is questionable how well a non-directional airflow dissipation will work.

The bottom fan had been moved from the middle of the case to the front of it - which will improve the airflow through hard drives installed in the bottom cage.

THE BAD
  • The bottom fan moved to the front will increase acoustic noise.
  • Bottom fan is now optional (read: you will ave to pay extra).
THE UGLY
  • Hateful Tricool 120 fans. These will have to be ripped out and thrown away, for the level of noise they generate is unacceptable. Assuming the same Scythe SY1225SL12M are used, this, again, brings the price up to $200 - and again, you have better options in that price range.
  • Fan grills. Problems with them have gone unnoticed by original P182 SPCR review, and I was unlucky enough to discover them only after all the components wer installed. In this incarnation, though, the problems were so aggravated that it deserved a special note from SPCR (look for this picture) and read the comments. This means that before the components are installed, the fans have to be ripped out even if you decide to keep the stock Tricool fans, and something will have to be done to the grills to smooth the airflow.
  • Antec CP proprietary PSU form factor and mounts: given the fact that all Antec power supplies I've ever bought have already died, most just outside of the warranty period, and one barely within, and it still hasn't been replaced yet, I (my humble personal opinion) couldn't care less about their improved proprietary technology, no matter how good it sounds on paper. Simply can't afford to waste that much money and risk the life of equipment those PSUs feed.
VERDICT

Thanks, but no thanks.

Wednesday, August 13, 2008

Antec P-182: Mixed Blessing

When the time has come to build a new box, there were two primary considerations: one, I didn't want to rebuild an existing case, two, I got tired of "overpaying" (should've known better, but later about it), as was the case (or so I thought at the time) with Lian-Li V-Cool PC-V1200B.

Also, loud cases eventually got me tired, and a quiet case like this was probably the last straw.

So, after careful consideration, I decided to try Antec P-182.

Well... TANSTAAFL.

Lian-Li cases remind me or Sir Henry Royce (yes, the Rolls-Royce Royce): The quality remains long after the price is forgotten. Even ancient (vintage of 2002) Lian-Li PC-60 would be a very good case today, if not for noisy 80mm fans (there is a 120mm version, but alas, it was manufactured later).

P-182, on the other hand... Every step of the way shows the cost cutting measures. More the pity because the design decisions are basically sound.

P-182 is not as big as reviews would like you to believe. 8800GTS cards do fit into the case, but forget about installing hard drives or extra fan into the middle bay cage - the cables get in the way.

Cable management is a nightmare. Despite the fact that P-182 is considered an improvement over P-180 (I dread to think how bad *that* was), cables don't really have much place to be hidden at, plastic doors bend and become difficult to close, cables routed in the lower compartment tend to interfere with fan blades - not fun at all.

Fans were the last straw.

I am very disappointed to have trusted the opinion expressed by Silent PC Review in their P-182 review. I guess they have based that opinion on medium or low speed setting on the fans, neither of which is really acceptable for a person on a low budget in the middle of Arizona summer.

Interestingly enough, a separate review TriCool fans were described as "definitely not quiet".

Setting the fans or medium or low speed, given the fact that the box had one of the hottest (no pun intended) motherboards on the market (ASUS Striker II Formula), ambient temperature about 30°C, disks heating up to 43°Cб was absolutely out of question.

Had to replace the stock fans.

Decided to trust Silent PC Review once again, and bought Scythe SY1225SL12M (used other Scythe product, S-FLEX SFF21D before, liked them a lot - but the flow would have not been sufficient for this case).

This brought the price of the caseto $200 - the price of a comparable feature set, but better manufactured Lian-Li.

Also, when I took the fans off, it turned out that the underside of fan grills is quite sharp and rough, creating turbulence and without doubt adding extra wind noise. Had this happened before the component installation, it would've been OK to smooth them over, but with the motherboard and power supply installed, and cables routed, I said the hell with it.

The very last straw - turned out that the plastic door has a razor sharp edge. Lost a quart of blood and about 2"x1/4" piece of skin - it was kinda unbelievable to cause such a wound with a piece of, mind you, soft plastic.

All in all, after all was said and done, I had issued the last expletive and promised myself not to buy new cases, ever, even if it means that I will have to make them out of wood.

Now that I'm done with the criticism...

The case is relatively quiet, and relatively cool (as in temperature, not as in appeal).

All the fans except the drive compartment one are under variable speed control provided by BIOS. The last fan is simply turned on at 70% speed.

Hard drive noise is very well contained. I simply don't hear them (Seagate Barracuda, not quite known for being quiet).

Even the 8800GTS SLI is not audible until their fans get up to about 50% speed, with the cards themselves not heating up above lazy 70°C (for comparison,
XFX GF7950GT PVT71JYHE9 is feeling just fine all the way up to 120°C).

The only noise left after fan replacement is a slight hum of the fans - mostly video card fans. Doesn't interfere with listening to the music. Doesn't interfere with work. Playing games? I don't think you'd notice anything at all. HVAC turning on absolutely drowns all the noise produced by the box.

Is it possible to make the case quieter? Yes, by using a cooler motherboard and hard drives (Western Digital drives seem to be the best in this context nowadays). You can also use even quieter S-FLEX fans, but that'll be tempting the fate.

Is it possible to make the case cooler? Absolutely - just set all the fans at 100% speed (after the fans have been replaced, of course). Even then the case is quite acceptable, albeit noticeable.

In other words, am I happy with the case? Well, after all the time and efforts spent on it, mostly yes - provided I don't have to get in often, the cables are really annoying to deal with.

Am I gonna buy a comparable case again? Hell no. Either another of my dozen leftover cases gets an extreme makeup, or I'm gonna buy another Lian-Li. I don't think that would be much more expensive, and know for sure that the quality would be better.